Going To Look at this tommorrow

buzzk · Post by **buzzk** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:13 am

As slow as boats are selling he may be sorry he didn't take your offer if he still owns the boat in Oct. Is he using the boat or is it just sitting. Buzz buzzk 1988 Bertram 33 FBC Buzz Off Morehead City, NC

BillChaser · Post by **BillChaser** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:22 am

He already bought a 42" Trawler type vessel. I honestly believe he wants to selll it but can't to me. The boat is in exceptionally good shape. I had four family members get on her and do as thorough an inspection as could be done short of being a professional surveyor. It will make somebody a very nice boat if they are willing to pay $10K more than they could sell it for at the moment.

buzzk · Post by **buzzk** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:46 pm

If you don't find what you're looking for in a couple of months you may want to revisit the offer with the owner. After he's paid insurance and dockage not to mention up keep he may want to reconsider. I've found that boats that aren't being used end up being neglected by their owners and usually go down hill. He may end up taking less than you offered him from someone else later. Buzz buzzk 1988 Bertram 33 FBC Buzz Off Morhead City, NC

smanni · Post by **smanni** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:56 pm

I Dont know if you guys ever go onto thebassbarn.com, but the broker just posted this boat there as "MUST SELL" "reduced to 79,900". Read the add, looks like the owner wants her gone. Maybe wait a month, then offer the same.

BillChaser · Post by **BillChaser** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:14 am

I am getting ready to make a run at one of these and maybe keep the SeaCraft. I am going to buy another little boat to replace the SeaCraft any way. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 04&rid=105 http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 63750&url= http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 04&rid=105

JohnD · Post by **JohnD** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:18 am

All look like decent deals, good for you and bad for the seller. But, that's the market right now. Unless you have to sell the sea craft I'd keep it, you know what you've got. On the B35's moving the genset can compromise balance, if done correctly it's a great change. To do it right something should replace the genset's weight, like a water tank or ballast under the cockpit floor. Also, B35's with 3208's would real world cruise 20-21kts not 23, Charlie could add more to that. Good Luck, John D "Lady D" Bertram 35 Pasadena MD

BillChaser · Post by **BillChaser** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:09 pm

Are you getting a little more speed out of the 3208's in a 35? It would make sense with a little more water line length, also might make for a little lighter load on the engines if the hull is slightly more efficient

CB35 · Post by **CB35** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:31 pm

I have not been reading so closely. The Bertram book on a 35B with factory Cats at 300HP is 23kts at 2500 rpms. Load her down with 6 fats guys, ice, full fuel plus 75 gallons, and bait you are luckly to see 20Kts. By the way my boat still makes the factory numbers in the bay on a calm day. You want a wave busted get a 35B. Oh when I hauled my boat with 1/2 fuel, 1/2 water, no fat guys, no bait, no beer 24,800. That means she is around 27,000# headed to the Hudson. The book say 25,500# in the heavy configuration 4 people, 2,3 fuel, 2/3 water and a 1000 pounds of gear. Charlie

BillChaser · Post by **BillChaser** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:21 pm

Often bigger boaats are more efficient at planing speeds, because they have longer lifting surfaces. So I am wondering with the 33 and 35 being similar in power and weight, if the 35 went a little further on he same power

buzzk · Post by **buzzk** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:30 pm

Bill, I thought you wanted teh new style flybridge. On the first boat listed I couldn't tell the style of flybridge the boat had but on the other 35 it had the old style flybridge. I'm sure some the guys on here know what year the 35 came out with the new style bridge.I used to fish on a 35 with the old style bridge and I have the new style on my 33 which to me is so much better. Buzz buzzk 1988 BErtram 33 FBC Buzz Off Morehead City, NC

Post by **dougl33** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:20 pm

Bill, The 3208's in most 33's were the 270hp model. The last couple of years they came with the 320's. The 35's came with the 300hp 3208's. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

CB35 · Post by **CB35** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:00 pm

Just a thought. My 35B has the Cat Bubbles on the bottom. They look like an aircraft drop tank cut in-half. This was to accomadate the 506 TD tranny. Back in they day there were no down angle trannys. This means the engine has to dropped as low as possible and tilted at the shaft angle. The boats may have a 502 or something else. The 502 is not rated for 300HP; but I know a 31B with 8.2 DD's at 300HP and she runs fine. For 35B's you either to raise the floor or punt without the Bubbles. I would look real close at the repower job or get someone who knows what they are looking at. I doubt many surveyors have a clue about this. I am 6'2" and if the floor was raised I would be bumping my head in the salon. If you 6 foot or less no biggy; but I hate banging my head. In 1981 Bertram went to the Command Flybridge and 1982 to the fiberglass deck or vice versa. Also check the shaft size. 3208 35B's had 1.5 with two cutlass bearings per shaft. As John D said pay attention to getting too much weight forward. DeepV's don't like their bow tucked in big following seas or breaking inlets. Oh there are 35B's sporting 555 cummins at 210HP (555=POS). 16kts and a cloud of smoke. They used a 2:1 tranny and could make 18kts high cruise RPM. As far as speed the 33B is lighter, narrower, shorter and less V 17 degrees v 19 for the 35B. The 33B with the same HP Cat will leave the 35B in the dust or wake I should say. What I can say about 35B is she runs real nice at 28kts. John when are you getting wet. Come on dude I want to know if I need to look for some 3126's. Oh one more thing. My genny is under the rear deck. When I got the boat she was a ball of rust. I pulled her out and cleaned her up. With only 900 hours I was not about to give up on what appeared on the inside a perfectly good Westerbeke 8KW. All you have to do is keep her washed off with clean fresh water and a little touch-up paint and no problems being under the deck. Just goes to show you most guys just don't do the up keep. On an old boat there is a never ending problem chasing rust and these damn boats are fiberglass. If you are looking at any Berts in my neck of the woods I would be available to take a look with you. I have looked at probably 100 Bertrams by now. I have seen most of the warts or know where to look. Charlie

JohnD · Post by **JohnD** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:54 pm

Charlie I knew you'd chime in. I found that my B35 with 454's was a 20kt @3200rps cruse in the bay with clean bottom full fuel and weekend junk. With a slightly dirty bottom (shaft/props) it would drop to 16kts. One thing for sure, it loves the ocean, I parted 10ft seas comming out of the Cape May inlet in 2006 on my way to Atlantic City and the boat was doing just fine. It was the wife and I who were not up to 33 miles of surfing 10 footers, it was on the tail end of tropical storm David. As for my repower, motor's are in and friggin shafts were cut wrong and need to be taken out and fixed. I promise to post some details soon. Bill look at you're needs, bridge size, interior config. I think that the B33 sf cockpit would be ideal for off shore, like the B31 the engine boxes and overhang make the natural palce to watch baits. For the B35 I like how open the salon is and you can furnish to suit your needs. Also, I'd choose a good clean boat any day, Bertram built them right, it's the owner's that mess them up. A quote from my purchase surveyor "rode hard and put away wet, but its a Bertram". The good news is eather model is a good choice and will serve you well, just don't price shop if you've found a good boat they're too hard to find. br, JohnD John D "Lady D" Bertram 35 Pasadena MD

BillChaser · Post by **BillChaser** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:55 am

The 35 in Savanah had Freezer boxes put in the cockpit so that should counter the balance change of moving the genny forward. I would like the tournament style bridge, but I am willing to sacrifice for condition. The 33 in Cape May was ideal. But if I pay $75K fir it I will be upside down in it by $10K. I also belive that I may be able tio modify the 35's bridge over the long haul 5 plus yaers to set it up with a reinforced fiberglass overhang and a pod style helm similar to the Billfish 37

CB35 · Post by **CB35** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:29 am

Bill I think if you go to www.bertramrendezvous.com we will find a shot of my boat with the sunshade. It came with the boat and I was going to remove it and throw it away. I felt it would be in the way of chasing fish around the cockpit. I made a couple of trips with it in place and fell in love. It does not interfere at all and provides great protection from the sun. An added benefit is it provides protection from rain, spray, and wind for the guys on deck. I believe it is called a San Juan Sunshade. Good luck Charlie