NITES OFF, ethanol & channel 5 news

[BECCA ROSE]

It's all Hype! Bill 33 FBC Ipswich, Ma. [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... a_Rose.jpg[/img]

[Rick]

You don't watch enough T.V. Rick Ticket 85 SF Falmouth, MA

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Bob, I think the cola looking fuel remark that you are referring to on this forum was when Frank IRGUY was emptying and cleaning the last 20 gallons of his diesel tank . That had nothing to do with ethanal.

[khybskid]

I read somwhere along this thread that the best thing to do to avoid prolonged ethanol in you tank was to drain it all out for the winter. Is it true that the ethanol that is in the tank now has a shelf life very short and the fuel left in would be bad gas by spring. pete

[franklyprice]

Pete, They've been saying that gas will only last a few months for a long time(years) and I've generally ignored that but now , since the ethanol was added, I am not taking any chances with the fiberglass tank and so I drained it out. I also noticed that the gas , which is now a little over three months old, doesn't smell very good, not quite bad but not like fresh gas either. Of course you can put stabilizer in it but then you'd still have the problem of the ethanol attracting moisture from the vent , which may or may not be a problem, depending on how much moisture actually gets into the tank. I guess to answer your question, it may be bad by spring or it may not but there is more of a chance than ever of it going bad.

[Rick]

This morning's Boston Globe......at least the Democrats think the Democrats might be going in the wrong direction......geez, ya think ? Ethanol's success story may have downside As more corn is needed, food costs may rise By John Donnelly, Globe Staff | January 5, 2007 WASHINGTON -- US factories producing ethanol fuel for cars may consume as much as half of the country's corn crop next year -- more than double earlier government predictions -- creating competition for grain stocks that could drive up supermarket prices for cereals, meat, eggs, and dairy products, according to a report released yesterday. Democrats in Congress are expected in the next two weeks to begin a major push for alternative energy, including ethanol, as a way of reducing the country's reliance on foreign oil. Ethanol plants use corn to create a synthetic form of oil. Feedlot owners, who intensely feed corn to cattle and pigs for four to six months before slaughter, have seen their costs rise dramatically because of ethanol production. The growing competition for corn is expected to create price hikes that will be passed on to consumers who buy anything from milk to pork chops, Brown said. Ethanol production doubled from 2001 to 2005, and the report said it could double again by 2008 to more than 15 billion gallons, or roughly 6 percent of US auto fuel needs. The report found that 139 million metric tons of corn will be needed for ethanol by the 2008 harvest season, or roughly half of the nation's crop, according to US Agriculture Department estimates. In February 2006, the Agriculture Department estimated that just 60 million metric tons of corn would be needed for ethanol. Brown, a widely respected environmentalist and founder of the Worldwatch Institute, which studies global environmental issues, said the Agriculture Department estimate did not account for last year's surge in global oil prices that led to more ethanol production. His research found 116 ethanol plants operating in the United States, 79 more under construction, and another 200 planned. Already, he said, the price for corn has reached 10-year highs. Consequences, he said, could be far-reaching. Since the US corn crop accounts for one-fourth of all grain exports, a rise in price "could create food riots in low-income areas around the world," he said. Bob Dinneen , president of the Renewable Fuels Association , a Washington- based lobbying group for the ethanol industry, said Brown's concerns were overblown. Dinneen said increased farming of corn could offset much of the increase in demand for ethanol. Corn production has risen to an estimated 86 million acres in the last year, up from 76 million acres in 2005, largely because of the demand for ethanol, he said. "I have more faith in the marketplace," Dinneen said. John Donnelly can be reached at donnelly@globe.com Rick Ticket 85 SF Falmouth, MA

[dougl33]

This once again proves what we've been saying all along. Ethanol is dumb, dumb, dumb! Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

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Is it too late to invest in corn futures?

[captgene]

My Father in law was grain broker. He got rich when the Russians ran out of Corn. I bet the Russians are growing the crap out of Corn somewhere. Maybe we buy their stock. Gene Dugan Boca Raton, Fl. "Nauti Marie" 1989 33 FBC

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Speaking of ethanol,check out the ethanol release from Crusader. http://www.crusaderengines.com/recall.html They are basically saying, yeah our engines will run fine on ethanol but everything else will fail causing our engines to fail, so dont call us when they fail......

[BECCA ROSE]

Brown, a widely respected environmentalist "could create food riots in low-income areas around the world," he said. What a bunch of hype bull****! I guess selling crack is going to be overshadowed by corn flake pushers. Believe only half of what you see, and nothing that you read. Bill 1988 33 FBC Ipswich, Ma. > ~------- [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... a_Rose.jpg[/img]

[dougl33]

Pssst... You want Special K or Frosted Flakes? Its only $200 a box. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... sabeth.jpg[/img]

[BECCA ROSE]

If you start seeing Leprechauns on every street corner you'll know why. Flakeheads! Bill 1988 33 FBC Ipswich, Ma. > ~------- [img]http://www.bertram33.com/photogallery/p ... a_Rose.jpg[/img]