Question re: Differences between models

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:05 am

Ed... Thanks to you too.. I was posting my last note when you were posting yours it appears. I do have Pascoe's book on Mid Size Boats.. have read it pretty much all the way through, parts several times.. but I find he is so critical a newbie like myself can get paralyzed from fear of all the negative things he says. Conversely, I have found the book invaluable for many other reasons. If I am to believe the broker the boat is solid and needs only cosmetic stuff.. he seems straight and is a long timer in the business, from what I can find out he is a straight shooter. I will probably drop a few questions here in a day or so.. need to start on building a fireplace mantle and entertainment center in the unfinished living room of our new house. Thanks again.

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:46 am

quote:Originally posted by Capt. Ed I have the Power Boat Guide pages for both models. If you would like I can email them to you. Ed 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida Ed, will you mail those to me at webmaster@bertram33.com? David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:47 am

quote:Originally posted by Capt. Ed I have email mailed them onto Dave with hopes that he can post them without copyright issues. If anyone want copies, of those or other models just send me an email. Ed 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida Ooops, didn't see this post. Maybe I should read the rest of the thread first! David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Capt. Ed · Post by **Capt. Ed** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:15 am

I have a friend at Allied Richard Bertram in Stuart, FL alliedrichardbertram.com. His email is tjenkins@alliedrichardbertram.com, or you can call him direct at 772-201-1800. Tom has been in the boat business for 25 plus years, and is a truly a real gentleman who can share a wealth of information with you (yes he is a salesman, but if you are calling for help, he will try to help you). You can use my name. Good luck, Capt. Ed Ostrand 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida

Capt. Ed · Post by **Capt. Ed** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:27 am

I forgot the W's... www.alliedrichardbertram.com Tom Jenkins is his name by the way. 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:46 am

The guides are posted. Interesting info. Someone want to take on the chore of making all those floorplans nice big jpeg files? David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:47 am

Also interesting to note that the SF they used in their picture is the same one I used on the main page. Just a slightly different angle. David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

photo finish · Post by **photo finish** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:57 am

IR, For what it is worth the broker I bought my boat from in Wilmington was benjamin meggs at bluewater yacht brokers I was very pleased with him.That inlet there looked like it could be trouble at times and i know you have to watch low tides there as well. Ed I agree with most of what you wrote with your rules except i am opposite when it comes to buying a turn key boat.I do not think there is such a thing.i personally would rather get a discounted boat that needs work so I know what has been done and that the work is done right.The things i would watch for most is hull integrety and well the fiberglass was maintained.and if the bilge is well kept.If you have those 3 things that is a good start.Where most people do the opposite and look at the mechanics.Maybe it is just me but i feel like i know my boat better because i have replaced just about everything mechanical myself.I guess i have been disappointed in the past buying things that worked great when i bought them ...only to find in 6 months they dont. Tim Stamm Photo Finish 1981 33' Bertram FBC

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:50 am

Well, here is another thing to consider. You can finance someone else's work by buying the boat "turn-key", whereas you will likely have to come up with the funds out of pocket for a "project" boat. Unless of course you want to do a home equity line of credit or something to get it done, but I am guessing most people would not want to go that route. If you have the disposable income, then I would agree with Tim, but if not, I'd get a boat that obviously had a good deal of work done already. By obvious I mean you can see it and the receipts can prove it. David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:58 am

Also, if you are looking for a cruiser, make sure to check out Carver, Silverton and Meridian. That way, you will know what a real piece of crap looks like, and you can really appreciate how well the Bertrams are built. (Wow, that was pretty elitist, wasn't it? [8D]) On a serious note, the Hatteras is a fine boat, but they aren't known for their smaller boats like Bertram is. I think they had a 34 model, maybe a 32 too, but not sure there. I'd look at the newer Rivieras also. They have a 33 model that is almost the spitting image of the 33 FBC, although I don't know what the interior layout looks like. Good luck in your search! David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Capt. Ed · Post by **Capt. Ed** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:06 am

Tim, You are 100% right, turn key, which in hind site is a poor choose of words on my part. What I was trying to imply is that as a new power boater, with many new home projects, (and us married guys all know when it comes to fixing the house or the boat which one it is going to be, unless of course you live on the boat), that he should select a boat that has the least projects (as all boats are projects, even news ones). Opposed to selecting one that needs major refurnishing and engines right out the door. 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida

Capt. Ed · Post by **Capt. Ed** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:17 am

Good point David, All of us who have redone a boat and later sold it never got back all that we put into it. So you could find a bargain that someone else has put a LOT of money into and moved up to a larger boat. Which can save you thousands of out of pocket money to do it. Not to mention the cost of the "learning curve" (which is generally shaped like this "$"!). But Tim has a good point also, if you have the time and money, buy a shell and re do it and you have a like new vessel for half the cost of a new one. 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida

Post by **Admin** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:23 am

Exactly, but pay special attention to Ed's second statement - learning curves are usually shaped like "$"! That is a great one Ed. David Sumich 33 Megabites Huntington Harbour, CA Forum Administrator

Post by **dougl33** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:19 am

quote:Originally posted by Capt. Ed (and us married guys all know when it comes to fixing the house or the boat which one it is going to be, unless of course you live on the boat) I am my father's son. The boat always gets fixed first. Unless its Jan-Feb in Mass and the heat stops working, then maybe the house will come first. If you think I'm kidding, just ask my wife. Regards, Doug L. 1986 33 Bertram FBC Queen Elizabeth Marblehead, MA

Capt. Ed · Post by **Capt. Ed** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:07 am

Doug good for you buddy! But if I had my home tore apart remodeling and elected to stop and go work on the boat instead, I won’t need a furnaces to heat the house (wait, I am in Sunny Florida... I don’t have a furnaces!).[8D] 1979 Bertram 33' FBC ALEXANDRA Port Richey, Florida