What to use?

lobsta1 · Post by **lobsta1** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:25 pm

Had the bottom soda blasted. The ? now is what do I use for a barrier coat? Besides the 2000E, Interlux has a high solids epoxy that claims just three coats with a 1/4" nap roller. Two coats with a 3/8" nap, but that will leave a bumpy surface. According to the data sheet the 2000E would require 6 gals. The HS takes 3 gals. Pettit also has their product, but I haven't researched it yet. I will probably go with one of the Hydrocoat products. Don't know which one yet. Any suggestions? Remember Nites Off stays in the water for three years between haul outs. Thanks Al

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:42 am

You could roll & tip with west system epoxy mixed with 422, looks like that's smoother but probably a lot more money. Rick Ticket 85 SF Merc 454 MPI's Falmouth, MA

franklyprice · Post by **franklyprice** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:29 pm

If you can believe Pettit's description , it sounds like a superior product but how do you know?

lobsta1 · Post by **lobsta1** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:05 am

Frank, Just looked up the Pettit installation. With a 30 minute induction time, minimum 2 1/2 hrs. between coats & I'm guessing 1 1/2 hrs. per coat, it doesn't look to practical. At 70 degrees the second coat MUST be bottom painted within a minimum 5 hrs. & a maximum of 8 hrs. So the two coats are a minimum of 9 hrs. plus the 5 hr. wait under ideal 70 degree would still be 14 hrs. to start bottom painting. Maybe if I were 25 instead of 68 it might be doable. So it looks like I go with the Interlux HS. Any one else care to add any comments? Al

No Yacht Yet · Post by **No Yacht Yet** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:15 pm

Al I'm going to soda blast the 42 in a couple of years. Unfortunately I'm going to have to pay the yard to do all the work. It will be barrier coated,then 2 coats of red and 2 coats of dark blue. When the first layers start to wear off it will show the red, thats where I'll reapply. They are going to spray all coats, silky smooth. I'm going with the Interlux since I cant do the job. I had the water based Hydrocoat and it didn't smell during reapplication, the bottom also had a lot more growth on it than the Interlux. That could be because the water down my way is significantly warmer than where you are. Buzzards Bay temps have changed over the last couple of years.

Aquaman · Post by **Aquaman** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:17 pm

AL I also had my bottom sodas blasted this winter.The bottom had layers and layers of old paint on it so it was time to start fresh.The boat yard is now in the process of sanding the bottom. Then the yard is using Interlux 2000E barrier coat.I also removed some old transducers and I'm in the process of replacing the backer plates of my seawater engine pick ups. Wood backer plates were deteriorated plywood. Hopefully the boat will be more fuel efficient and maybe I can pick up a little more speed. Good Luck John J

asher · Post by **asher** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:30 pm

Anyone mind giving a ball park figure on how much the soda blasting cost on your 33 or 35? There's only one company down my way that does it and the price gouging is probably unreal. Looking at having it done within the year, the bottom of my 35 must have at least 10 coats of paint on it.

Stafford · Post by **Stafford** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:10 pm

The interprotecI 2000 is a great product and 1 kit/gallon wil easily cover a 33 or 35'. 4 coats followed by 2 coats of bottom paint. I have used the new micron cf this past season with good results. Customers have used any of the Micron paints with little growth. Pettit barrier coat is thicker and the proper thickness can be achieved with 3 coats followed by 2 coats of Vivid or hydrocoat. There is no need for contrasting paint colors if you pay attention to the paint. You will see the barrier coat and know it is time to paint. I have seen the contrasting colors separate and fail. Extended service, 3 years between haulout is asking to much from any paint. The prices for blasting a 33 or 35' ? Give me a call 800-901-4253 and I can let you know for my area. Chris I just stripped my 35' for the 3rd time in 5 years. Left the barrier coat intact and will coat with 2 coats of micron in a couple weeks. It was easier to blast the propspeed off my gear and the old paint then Scraping and sanding the silicone. Pettit Barnical Coat will be sprayed on all the underwater metal.

Aquaman · Post by **Aquaman** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:20 am

asher Here in New Jersey at the yard I winter my boat the blasting for a 33 is $45.00 to $48.00 a foot and the complete bottom job blasting, barrier coating and painting is $3300 I'm getting mine done for $3000

No Yacht Yet · Post by **No Yacht Yet** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:28 am

Is it possible that separation between paints is caused by not applying to the manufactures re-coat times? The yard that will be doing mine has been doing it that way for many many years without a problem.

lobsta1 · Post by **lobsta1** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:54 am

Where I have my boat, they subcontract for the blaster so they can get their cut. Don't know what the blaster charges on a per foot basis, but my bill was $1663. Stafford, with a roller would I be able to get one coat per gal.? With the high solids I would only need 3 gal. then. Can anyone recommend which water based paint to use that does NOT slime up? Thanks Al

Post by **dougl33** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:59 am

Al, I've used the hydrocoat for the past few years. Its been OK, not great. I wouldn't say my results were any different than when I was using Micron CSC, but its certainly easier to clean up. As such, I'll keep using it.

Stafford · Post by **Stafford** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:02 pm

Hydrocoat is the only water based product I have experience with, but all the paints slime over. The hard growth is the real concern. After a day of running the slime is gone. The coverage of the InterprotecI HS should be 1gal/ coat. First coat is the leanest. Aother coats not a problem The contrasting color base coat, especially 2 coats is a waste of good paint for the average boater hauling every winter. The reason we blast boats in the first place is because of heavy buildup, with 2 base and two top coats you will be getting a jump start on buildup. Not only that, you will start to loose the sharp crisp edge on the lifting strakes and chines. Every little bit helps. They are selling more paint and labor.

No Yacht Yet · Post by **No Yacht Yet** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:48 am

I've seen the bottoms of the boats they have blasted and re-coated using that process. There is no excessive build up. The strakes are defined. After 5 years they still look the same as the day they were done. Silky smooth just like a brand new boats bare fiberglass bottom. Maybe that's because the spray them, not roll them. I know they block the bottoms out, that could be the difference also. They stand behind their work too, no excuse. That's rare these days.

asher · Post by **asher** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:36 am

Thanks for the idea on prices. I'm pretty sure the yard rates are a lot higher down here since there isn't an annual haul out for winter so they have to make their money somehow. Hopefully when I start calling around I will find someone for a halfway reasonable price.